Coming to terms with my white privilege

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1. Thank you for sharing this.

2. Yasssss! That is all 🙂

3. So what do you propose we do about it?

   – Guilt is not an answer
   – Distributing current SA wealth is not an answer – everyone in SA would only get about R450
   – BEE and AA are not working, so not an answer – only enriching a few entitled persons
   – Dumbing down through a very crappy education system to the lowest common denominator is definitely not working and also not an answer

   1. I think Bob what he is proposing is that white people stop acting as if there isn’t any priviledge, that they be more empathetic. After all the only way to solve a problem is by first admitting you have one, then only then can you start working together as a country towards one goal, which in this case i believe is equity.

   2. Dave said what he wanted to say. He did what he wanted to do. He is not challenging anyone to do anything. This is not a “dare”. So Bob, don’t expect anyone to tell you what to do. Just don’t rubbish what Dave did. There’s millions of things for you to choose from. Or you can continue counting all the failed ideas. Like you’ve already started.

4. Hey Bob, well while you sit back and analyse all the “failures” of our young democracy we will be out here trying out new solutions. If only you were as eager to help us find a way forward as you are to point out the “issues”…

5. Advertising or not, at least this will be spreading some awareness throughout the people in South Africa. I think I like this.

6. This is an analogy that I used to explain ‘white privilege’ and ‘black disadvantage’:
   Let’s say you live in a 1st tier residence. This means that you have to eat the food provided to you in the dining hall. The rules for dinner are as follows:
   1. Everyone must be seated at their assigned tables by 17:30 everyday.
   2. There are 20 tables. People have been allocated to these tables alphabetically. 3. The students at table 1 get their food first every night, table two goes next etc all the way up to table 20.
   The people at table 1 always get hot food and they get to pick what they like from the three available meal options. By the time it gets to table 15 the popular meals are nearly done and table 20 usually has to eat the food no one else wants and they often are unable to eat what’s left due to cultural, religious, allergic and other reasons.
   This system is obviously unfair. The people at table 20 are furious and they complain about it all the time. The people at table 1 benefit from the system and don’t have a problem with it. When the last tables complain the people at table 1 say things such as “It’s not my fault that I got this table. I didn’t choose it. But now that it’s done we must just accept it. It’s not such a big deal. Am I supposed to feel guilty because my surname is A***** and yours is Z****?” This effects the social dynamics in the residence so much that one hardly sees people from table 20 talking to people from table 1. The people who are in the end sometimes go to bed hungry and this affects many aspects of their lives. A few people from table 1 start to see that this is indeed terrible but they are still unwilling to do something in fear of going against the status quo ante because they fear judgement from their peers etc.
   So the whole point of this is to show that if you are benefiting from a system, regardless of how unjust it is, you will not be one of the 1st to stand up against it. Some are born with privilege and some are born disadvantaged. It’s up to all of us to be able to identify this and it’s only through empathy and a common vision of a better tomorrow that we can truly achieve transformation.

   1. Wow! Very powerful and concise analogy.

   2. So, how do we Fix your analogy? Build more kitchens? Get more waiters? Have one big table? But then what about the guys bringing the food? How come they cant sit and eat? And the cooks? Your analogy is as dumb as you are.

      1. Kabous, your message serves no purpose. And your insult at the end is plain sad. I have read Busi’s piece with interest and found it thought provoking.

         In answer to your questions:
         There is no need for more kitchens, as there is food for all, just not distributed equally. You don’t need more waiters, you just need to rotate the order in which you serve tables. Day 2 start with table 2 and end with table 1.
         The waiters and staff can eat separately in the morning, and can be served by people from table 1-20.

         The analogy has its shortcoming for sure, but as indicated above, is worthy of some attention.

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   3. Truuuueeee!!! Kunzima kutable 20, and the people whom we have voted ukuthi basilethele ushintsho, ey let me not go there. Great analogy!!!

   4. Here’s a twist: what if everyone from table 1-5 has paid for the food, imported all the varieties of foods and set the table for everyone from table 6-20? And table 20 just arrives everyday and keeps asking for food and more food without actually helping set the table? Should they still eat first?

      If they do, then table 1 will get fed up and stop working as hard, and so will table 2…and then production will drop.

      That, my friends, is communism.

      You should be blaming the government and our almighty Zuma for not helping small businesses thrive and empower “table 20” rather than feeding them with hate propaganda towards “table 1” who now consists of children post-apartheid that truly weren’t at fault.

      And let’s not kid ourselves, it’s not table 1 who eats first, it’s the “main table” at the front that takes the food tax first and stuff their face!

7. Great analogy, Busi. But know this: you’re describing capitalism, more than anything. If Europeans came to Africa and couldn’t build on the backs of poor African natives, they would have done so on the backs of poor imported slaved (which they did anyway; see Cape Malays) or, failing that, on the backs of poor second class European citizens. Come hell or high water, those cities would stand here today, and it would be a capitalism problem, as always. I do imagine wealth distribution would be more equal, though (look at socialist Europe at large) so the racial equation must be considered. But we need to always remember that our world was built by conquerors, and they brought things – both good and bad – from which we ALL benefit.

   We need to talk about transformation, more than anything: both in the highest echelons of white society, and at the lowest rungs of African society, where tribalism prevails; we can’t have the benefits of the one and the backwardness of the other and expect them to coexist peacefully. The onus is as much on young black folk to address the ills in their own societies and communities, as it is on young white folk to acknowledge their apathetic ignorance (brought about by privilege). We can no longer rely on older generations.

   For this I commend both the author of this piece, as well as you, Busi, and also the other young Africans who’ve raised opinions here. This is the first step, the beginning of the conversation we really need to have so we can move forward together. I hope this conversation can eventually be transmuted into some for of postive action.

   1. @Truthspeaker
      Who are you to say that the ‘Echelons of white society’ = benefits and the ‘Lowest Rungs of African Society’ = Backwardness. All you’ve done is show your narcissistic racist opinion disguised as some kind of forward thinking.
      I think it’s also rather cute you think you have the answers for the African people when in actuality African societies of old, specifically the ancient ones and people like the Bushmen of SA (and many others) were actually more evolved spiritually and socially. Just because your only understanding of progress is capitalism and western life, it doesn’t mean it’s better.
      The biggest plague to the native people of the world always have been white people and we’ve systematically destroyed almost every native population of the world, and at the same time have the gall to say stupid shit like ‘If you just learn t control yourselves we can give you our awesome progress, because what you really need is McDonalds in Africa.’
      Do some real research into ancient African civilisations (Zimbabwe etc) and perhaps you may learn a thing or two so you can start to move forward before telling anyone else what to do or think.

      1. The biggest plague to the native people of the world always have been white people”

         White people are natives of Europe. White South Africans are natives of Africa.

         Native: A person born in a specific place or associated with a place by birth; a local inhabitant.

         Perhaps you want to refer to “indigenous” people of lands conquered by whites upon arrival?

         1. Ok, thanks for this…let me re-type that then.

            ‘The biggest plague to the Indigenous people of the world have always been white people’.

            At least you agree.

      2. So what you are saying is you are the problem, you are the reason people can buy food in shops? The reason you can communicate on a pc. I cannot believe people like you actually exist… I cannot believe that you think your puny existence is the reason black people were oppressed. Sell your things, move into a hut and go live there. Drive your car to work or university or your white guilt meetings but don’t blame me for what this country has become.

         1. I’m not sure where I said ‘My existence is why black people are oppressed’ however yes my ancestry is one of tyrants who went and systematically destroyed ‘Indigenous’ populations in the name of ‘progress’. Nowhere did I say technology is bad and that white people haven’t brought any value into the world, however white people being apathetic regarding the pain our ancestry caused does no good in helping progress the country.

            I’m not ‘blaming you’ for anything, except for being narcissistic and short-sighted, and most likely somewhat bigoted and narrow minded. You’re the one who clearly has deeply buried guilt issues, as I’m very aware of the pain our privilege can bring in the modern world specifically due to the fact we still use positions of power for pure selfishness and not for any kind of upliftment of the majority of our nation, off who’s backs we rose to these positions.

            I’m not saying you should feel guilty for the sins of our fathers, but rather be conscious of the effect on people over generations and do your part to have empathy and understanding rather that self-righteousness and eventually things will start to change, or at least we’d provide the correct context for helpful discourse regarding creating change.

            1. So what are you saying? How about you try to sum it up in a concise sentence, that presents a solution, cos it sounds like me like you’re talking in uninformed circles, like a true fool. You’d do far better than you are now, throwing around baseless accusations that are clear projections of your own deep-seated guilt and anguish. Your name says it all; truly a foolish fool. You’re a self-fulfilling prophecy that offers NOTHING to the conversation; you’re rattling an empty pot, beating a dead horse.

      3. Dear Foolish Fool, herewith my response:

         “Who are you to say that the ‘Echelons of white society’ = benefits and the ‘Lowest Rungs of African Society’ = Backwardness. All you’ve done is show your narcissistic racist opinion disguised as some kind of forward thinking.”

         So, do you mean to tell me that those who live in gated communities in the areas with the most concentrated wealth in South Africa do not benefit unfairly from the legacy of apartheid? And, further to this, do you mean to say that gangs who prey on their own communities – the poorest of the poor – are not backwards? What about corrective rape, or the looting and robbery of foreign spaza shops, and the murder and burnings of their owners? What about monarchs such as our very own Zulu King, Goodwill-Zwelentini, who recently said foreigners ‘must go’ because they’re stealing our jobs? You see, dear fool, it is at the extremes of wealth and poverty that you will find the extremes of behaviour; both gross ignorance, and gross violence.

         “I think it’s also rather cute you think you have the answers for the African people when in actuality African societies of old, specifically the ancient ones and people like the Bushmen of SA (and many others) were actually more evolved spiritually and socially. Just because your only understanding of progress is capitalism and western life, it doesn’t mean it’s better.”

         Kindly point out where I suggested that capitalism and western life is my only understanding of progress. What I imply is that we live in a country where we’ve adopted capitalism and democracy as our norm, but where many still want to impose tribal values onto this norm, and the two do not fit together at all; you can’t wish to transform and expel everything that is European, but still want to wear European couture, drive European luxury cars, and sip on fine European liquor at the same time. This equation does not compute; if you want to reform the one mode of existence, you must also be open to reforming the other. As for the “Bushmen” – I believe the term you’re looking for is “San people,” or “Khoi-San” – as “bushman” may be considered an offensive term by someone of such heritage. Were they Khoi-San not themselves conquered by other African tribes before their subjugation by Europeans? How did their social and spiritual superiority aid them against violent onslaught? How did it aid Native Americans when they faced the white man? And what about the Aztecs, Incas or Mayans, when they were slaughtered by the Spanish? This brings me to your next point:

         “The biggest plague to the native people of the world always have been white people and we’ve systematically destroyed almost every native population of the world, and at the same time have the gall to say stupid shit like ‘If you just learn t control yourselves we can give you our awesome progress, because what you really need is McDonalds in Africa.’”

         Kindly point out where I said that “natives need to control themselves, so we can build a McDonalds on every corner in Africa.” You’re putting words into my mouth, and projecting your own white guilt onto me. It is clear that you’re spewing ideas that are not yet fully formed: you remind me of a young UCT anthropology major who has only recently gained access to the African Studies library, and is for the first time coming to terms with the true cost of democratic capitalism, and suffering tremendous guilt and anguish as a result. Save it for someone who cares; been there, done that. Do tell me however: didn’t the Zulu wage brutal wars upon the Ndebele, Sotho and other tribes during their own violent conquests? Whether you believe the Mfecane happened or not, African tribes fought violently against one another; the propensity for violence is not limited to the European or white man; it is hardcoded into human DNA. In ancient times, in fact, up until 1948, there really was no conception of Human Rights. Might was right, and one nation would fall before another if they had superior numbers, strategies and weaponry. That was the course of nature then, and many ways, it still is today, despite the often questionable veneer of Human Rights we cling so desperately to. You would do well to realise that viewing world history through a lens of human rights does you a disservice; look at the present through this lens, and the future, but understand the past for what it was.

         “Do some real research into ancient African civilisations (Zimbabwe etc) and perhaps you may learn a thing or two so you can start to move forward before telling anyone else what to do or think.”

         I’m sure that, even if I did more research than you were ever capable of, you’d still have some bleeding heart liberal argument to spit at me. Protip: take all your theories and ideas about progress, and go into a dirty township where people are desperate. Try and convince them of whatever you think the way forward is, and see how they respond. You will come back changed, and realise that what you think is right in theory, is not necessarily right in practice. The world is a cruel, hard place, and you, and your little opinion about wrong and right, doesn’t mean shit. I’ve offered suggestions as to how we can all have a conversation about how to move forward progressively; all you’ve done is piss on that and complain. You haven’t offered a single solution; you’re screaming at the top of your lungs how unfair life is, and how we’re all to blame. Get over yourself and present solutions, lest your opinion is lost in the cacophony of bleeding hearts drowning in their own drivel.

8. It’s so, so very important that prominent people come forward like this, especially young people who have the ability to influence and reach more people than those of us who have to fight back trolls and prejudiced people who won’t take these things seriously. Much respect to you.

9. I like how self-aware you are – mark of a good man/person. It made me happy, so thank you. It’s nice to know there are dudes out there who think about stuff like this.

10. As long as more than 20 million South Africans continue to live a meagre existence within the constraints of traditional tribal authorities, with no individual land ownership rights and no socio/political/economic freedom within their communities white privilege will remain intact and unassailable.

    Gross inequality is the root cause of our problems, this inequality existed before apartheid and before colonisation. Colonisation and slavery only happened because of the inequality between the societies.

    European communities (and some others) in South Africa operate in their entirety within a free modern economy while the vast majority of the black communities within the confines of traditional authority.

    White privilege will always prevail while the inequality that enabled colonisation in the first place continues to exist.

    Until such time as we have a nation that is prepared to deal with cause of black inequality as opposed to white privilege, white privilege will remain.

    BEE and BBBEEE has legitimately transferred some white privilege to black South Africans but ultimately has little or no ability to deal with mass black inequality.

    You can move or take down as many symbols of the past as you want or deem fit, you can change place names, transfer shares and reserve jobs but until those fighting white privilege are willing to take on the hard issue, the root cause of black inequality… everything will stay the same.

    1. wow….. not much to say other than I loved reading these comments. Sam’s especially… great thread!

11. Wow, this is the most intelligent thread I have read in a long time. So many valid points, so much to think about and hopefully put into action…just wow, this is what this country needs, more minds like this to stear us away from hate and move us toward a future where all of us are on the same foot…

12. Bob there doesn’t even start with the biggest failure: Apartheid!!!!

    Well done mate.

13. This truly is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, but dont worry, you will be opressed by the government soon enough. Its all happening under your nose.

    1. I concur, sometimes we don’t need eyes to see we need vision.

       1. Your story was really inmivfatore, thanks!

14. Everyone please stop having babies, educate yourselves about this finite world of ours. Selfish people, bringing children into the world when they can’t even afford to feed themselves.

15. Move to the big city, get a job. Work your ass off constantly pushing your envelope. Beat everyone else for a better position. If you can’t, change your industry. You only get fit, physically, mentally, financially when you keep pushing your ability to succeed in whatever it is you are doing. If your job sucks change it. If your university sucks, get a group together, decide on a field, call Ceril, get funding, and open one. There is more than enough expertise in South Africa. More than enough opportunity for growth. More than enough funds available for viable industry. And with a country as innovative as ours we can achieve quite literally anything. Nothing of this is however possible without a lot of very, very hard work.

    1. Hard work is good, but the mentality that we must “beat everyone else for a better position” is what got South Africa into trouble in the first place. Richard Branson said “Never go into business to make money. If that’s the motive then you’re better off doing nothing.” I’d like to take this thought one step further by saying that if you go into business without the intent of liberating those around you, then you’re also better off doing nothing.

       1. communist

    2. This is such a great idea. Because we live in a country where everyone has an equal opportunity to simply move to a big city and simply land a job (with equal/fair pay for the work regardless of race ). Attending university is a foregone conclusion ( coz the average South African can afford university and has had the quality of education that can get them into varsity with a fighting chance at finishing ). Everyone in the working world is justly rewarded for their efforts ( because there’s no glass ceiling , and that guy/girl did not get or keep a higher position with a higher salary because his dad and the boss play golf or went to the same school/university ) . Ofcourse, funding for that business is possible because “Ceril” is on your speed-dial or you have the required collateral that other funders want ( In case “Ceril” does not work out). And the guys with the expertise are generous with their expertise and knowledge (just waiting to groom you) . So hard work pays off ( Totally agree) and beating everyone else is possible if you did not start the race barefoot and on an empty stomach whilst your competition has had a coach ,a nutritionist and running shoes Before reaching that starting point of the same race.

16. I hear you Dave. Unfortunately you will always get the bad guy who will stop at nothing to kick you out of your seat. So I believe competition is a good thing and it makes you go harder. Eventually imposing liberation from a position of power. So I suppose it’s Gandhi style or Branson style.

17. Honestly, I just cant feel guilty about being white anymore. My family has been in this country for many generations and this is my home. But the thing is I just dont feel like i belong here anymore. Being white is thrown in my face everywhere I go. Im exhausted of trying to defend my ethnicity even though i didnt choose it.

    1. I don’t get why you feel guilty for your ethnicity. No-one can nor should they make you feel that way. But you can’t deny that the white (minority) benefitted at the expense of the black (majority) . Those benefits continue to be an advantage to whites (even those who weren’t directly involved) and continue to be a disadvantage for the black majority (even those who weren’t directly oppressed). The big issue is when some white people fail ( or refuse ) acknowledge these advantages ( adding insult to injury to those who are disadvantaged ). Another issue, are some blacks who have used this history to make others guilty and (get handouts ) instead of using the limited opportunities work hard for themselves and their future generations. Unfortunately both sides have rotten potatoes. Those who do not recognise appreciate their ” privilege ” are quick to criticise the tranformation policies ( BBBEE / Affirmative action /EE etc) , and to abuse these policies together with those few blacks who are freeriders ( contibuting to their failure ) .

       Dave simply acknowledged that he has had privileges/advantages as a white person and that awareness makes him empathetic instead of throwing around fallacies like “we are all equal” ( especially around people who are well-aware of the inequality.)

18. I say burn the townships down and when the grow back it will be like green grass.

19. If oppression justifies burning schools, Corruption, Crime the list is endless. We have a problem a big BIG problem. ! Wake up

    1. Do you mean to tell me that you think a child just grows up and decides, hey when I grow up I want to burn schools, and be a thief?? No, but its all in the circumstances you were brought up in. Of course and who created that dynamic? White oppressionalists. Did you think it easy to just wake up and change everything? No its not. You need to wake up to the plight of those around you, because you are so blinded by your priviledges. Other people only know poverty which often breeds the most dire measures to survive, which means something dishonest. I mean go on act as if any race is better than the other, we all have caused destruction at some point.

20. All it takes for one of the people commenting here saying “hey lets all be friends, my forefathers oppressed the black people, everything I have and worked for is because they oppressed the black people, this country belongs to all of us, lets go sing “kumbaya” and we should rather be herding cattle and subsistence farm because lets face it without western influence is where SA would be” to change their opinion, is to have their wife gagged and rapped while their kids are drowned in a bath of hot water and then shot and survived. Tell me would you call yourself a patriot? or equal? or did you deserve it because of white privilege?

    1. Kabous. Klap toe jou bek en trek Orania toe: jy help fokol; jy’s so sleg soos die moordenaar en verkragter wat jy haat; as jy sy kleur was sou jy gedoen het wat hy doen, want dis hoe jou hart werk; jy weet dit net nie want jy’s blind. Die waarheid maak seer, ou boet. Bid vir jou God sodat hy jou bietjie verstand kan gee.

21. Actually I would like to retract what I just said. All the hippies here can have this beautiful country and when everything fails and it feels as though you have no choice but to leave, don’t follow me. Stay with your friends and keep blaming it on white privilege. Be desensitized by what’s happening. Think its normal. I will be walking with my kids, yes on the pavement and I will feel safe. I wont be thinking of you and naïve opinions.

22. Jah Neh… I Am Also Black Guys, We Are Way Past Apartheid, Nearly 21 Years Now. Believe Me Whatever Situation Black Get Into Is Their Fault, I Mean Our President Is Black Yet He Put His Needs First And That Of His Family. And Those Who Have Been Given A Chance To Make Their Lives Better, Either In Schools Or Workplaces They Complain About Things That Don’t Matter Like Statues Of Those Who Oppressed My Grandparents. That Is Not Important Now, We Live In A Society Where We All Are Equal Now. We Must Remember ” We Are What We Repeatedly Do, Then Excellence Is Not An Act, But An Habit” -Aristotle

    1. I think you are grossly naive or ignorant if you truly believe that we are equal.

23. WHite Privelege, sounds like revisionist bigotry.
    Have you forgotten how you got that?
    In the 1820’s, when Nobility expelled the poor from their land in Scotland.
    There was an article in news 24 on White slaves here http://m.news24.com/news24/MyNews24/The-forgotten-white-slaves-20150321

    Then 70 million people died in the last war against the Worlds Super Power, 50 million Civilians – describing the inhumanity & rape would take many web site.
    Where were all the Africans or just the NGUNI’s?
    Not their war.
    Fair enough.
    Where were the Ngunis or Africans in the Great War in SA, against the Worlds Greatest Super Power?
    Oh it was a white thing – yeah?
    So what were they doing ambushing stray soldiers & carving out body parts for MUTI, or stuffing sand in their mouths to suffocate them in their sleep, not to mention the women & children in concentration camps by Lord Kitchener, or the scorched earth policy by Jameson.
    Sounds like you’re out of touch with your history mate, however you’re well entitled to any narrow perspective or to repatriate any way you wish that Africans would love – you can’t give enough.
    If you forget history you’re destined to repeat it & it’s repeating now with 3 million dead in the Middle East Modern War & the current Modern day Slavery, as objected to by UN.
    Keep the Narrow narative & explain rape murder & slavery to your offspring one day.
    Hope you have the courage to look them in the eye & tell them it doesn’t exist.

24. The Author if this piece is an idiot ! White people have as much fight to be proud of their heritage as any other race.
    Apartait was wrong but it’s been over 20 years now. It’s time to get over this crap and embrace oursves as equals.

    1. LMAO, spoken like a true white beneficiary!

    2. James, with your privileged education, you should at least know basic english grammar and be able to use a spell checker 🙂

    3. No, James. It’s not that simple; apartheid may have been over for 21 years, but women that are old enough to be your grandmother are still feeding rich white folks babies, watching their children, scraping the shit off their toilets, taking their dogs for walks. And these women’s children and grandchildren are ANGRY, because it feels like nothing’s changed for most people in 21 years, and nothing HAS changed. So take your shortsighted opinion on how the people most directly affected and harmed by apartheid must just ‘get over it’ and shove it. Not until your mother has scraped the shit off a white man’s toilet, or your father has tilled the land for some rich white farmer, will you know what it truly means.

       1. you are right we should fire all the maids and garden boys! things will change then for them! 2 steps back might be 1 step forward!

25. All people want is empathy, for their plight to be acknowledged. People will come to their own solution eventually. Stop the oppressive behaviour and lets all just go on about the business of living. The apartheid may have ended as law but the economic apartheid still exists. It will take some time but we will be fine. Kabous your’e a doos. A stupid little doos. I hope you dont get what you deserve but I shan’t be sad if you do. Poophol.

    1. Amen Ridwaan

       1. What plight? blame the fact you don’t drive a bmw on somebody else. Not your own ability to make enough money. how do you expect empathy from people who are too young to have been involved with any decisions made over 20 years ago?

          My self righteousness does not matter… my opinion will always have an opposite and so will yours. Things are going wrong in this country and we shouldn’t be ignorant and blame it on things other than what they are, if all white people are privileged then does that make all black people thieves? In an ideal world or South Africa, we could wake up tomorrow morning go outside and love our neighbours not because we are equal, not because they are owed it, not out of guilt and not for any other reason than just because. We all hide behind words like economic apartheid, bushmen, white privilege and oppression. When every single one of us is the problem, no matter left or right wing. Our opinions and feelings are moulded by what we hear and read, we complain about the past, but the truth is we are alive now and we are in charge of our future. If we don’t move on and try together black, white, pink or purple. The country we both love will break. Irrelevant of who created it and how.

          Like an American president said, if only aliens would attack then we could stand together as the human race, or something like that.

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