Same sex marriage is a right, but is it holy before God?

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We’ve all heard the argument that starts with “but the Bible says…” While there’s merit in what the Bible says and understanding the context in which it is being said, I believe Christians and people of all other faiths have no right to ascertain what is holy & not holy before God. A couple years back, the kind of music that I make would’ve been considered “The Devil’s music”. As a Christian, the fact that I play in clubs & bars would’ve been treated with scorn in the church. But I make dance music with conviction & in full confidence that what I do is holy & pleasing before God. If someone tells me otherwise, my natural reaction is to have compassion for that person for their opinion is formed from not knowing the truth that is inside of me.

The fact that we can go into a place & affect the atmosphere of a room with our music and make people happy in places that are often quite dark – there is no doubt in my mind that this is something that God smiles upon. The fact that we’ve been invited to play in a couple churches shows that the church is moving forward and better understands that music that is different to hymns & organs can also be pleasing to God.

The same is true of gay marriage. If you know in your heart that your love for someone of the same sex is holy and sacred before God, I wouldn’t worry about people who think otherwise for their opinion stems from fear of what they do not know. If anything, have compassion for those people. I know this because I used to have a bigoted view on gay relationships until a few of my close Christian friends came out; guys & girls that I truly respect & love. Simply by declaring to the world that they are gay without apology and in knowledge that God loves them & doesn’t intend for them to be any different has helped me form a better understanding of homosexual relationships. The fact that I can still be friends with those people despite what I may have said about gay people in the past has also helped me change my view.

I challenge people of all faiths to dig deep and to really try and understand what it is to be gay before saying something that might be deeply hurtful towards someone who is gay. It’s great that there has been a lot of discussion around gay marriage from both left & right wings of the Church, but for those who have more conservative views; keep in mind that in this time what you say has a lot of power to do great good or great damage. It’s important to know that it simply isn’t your battle to fight. As tempting as it, I urge you to dig deep before quoting that one Bible verse or making that analogy that tries to undermine gay love. People are EXPECTING it, and I can promise you this – it’s only going to cement their already hardened view of Christians. On the other side of the coin, I urge and challenge liberals to refrain from hating on conservatives; offer compassion instead. I believe your words can be equally as damaging to progress.

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21 Responses to Same sex marriage is a right, but is it holy before God?

  1. Susan Scott June 29, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

    Excellent article David, from the heart. Being tugged from the left and right is never easy.

    • Dave June 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm #

      Thanks mom.

  2. Nikki June 29, 2015 at 1:42 pm #

    Dear Dave,

    Thank you for your post. Brief (when it comes to this particular topic) and to the point.

    Firstly, I love what you say about how you make dance music with full conviction that what you do is pleasing to God 🙂 Awesome 🙂

    Secondly, I also agree that we cannot necessarily ascertain what is pleasing or not pleasing before God. God is holy and sovereign and righteous, and we are certainly not. No matter how much we love and serve a holy and righteous God, we live in a sinful world and we are all sinful, just in different shapes and forms. God offers us the opportunity to become holy and righteous, one day. But not while we are here on earth and not in this life. In this life and on this earth, all we can do is be super grateful that the opportunity is there, and be mindful of holiness and strive for holiness. We will not achieve it in these bodies, nor on this planet. We can resemble it, and embody the righteousness of God himself at times, but we ourselves will not achieve or be fully holy or righteous. Praise God for when the right time comes are we are freed from this world and these bodies, and can accept is awesome invitation to holiness and righteousness.

    As a married, heterosexual Christian, who honours marriage and loves God, I can also say that marriage is historically a legal contract. Just a piece of paper that people have used in different ways over the centuries. To ease political tension, to pay back a debt, to bind the wealthy (ie. business)…my marriage isn’t necessarily holy, as we say above, for the most part we don’t even understand what holiness is. But I say with conviction that the love and friendship my husband and I share, and the life we are building together is pleasing to God 🙂 Love is bigger than marriage, and it doesn’t have to fit into the ‘marriage’ box. But if you want your legal piece of paper, and to declare your love officially and publicly, then great! I did!

    With legalising gay marriage, I believe there will be a lot more happy people, a lot more happy marriages, and a lot more happy families and children. Obviously there will be problems too, as there already is with marriage in this world.

    Thank God He loves us each individually and unconditionally. Not something we know how to do, yet 🙂 We are conditioned beings, on all levels. This is just a very interesting historical time, again, which affects our concepts and views of everything. I look forward to the day where that all falls away and we see each other soul for soul.

    • Dave June 29, 2015 at 1:47 pm #

      Thanks for sharing Nikki! Would be interesting to see how everything looks when the conditions of our love fall away.

  3. Kyle June 29, 2015 at 1:49 pm #

    Howzit bro,

    thanks for sharing.

    Putting the discussion of the marriage part aside, and purely talking about “gay love” as you called it, I just want to confirm what I’m hearing you say here so I don’t misunderstand your mail.

    1. Homosexuality is not a sin before the Holy God of the Bible if it’s holy in your own eyes? (beginning of paragraphs 3)
    2. Is the God you’re referring to the God of the Bible, or a more of an “all-faith” God?
    3. If you hold to the view that it is a sin before God, you are definitely a biggot? There’s no middle ground to disagree with someone yet still be friends and have them over for super, like a Christian person might with a Muslim work colleague? (middle paragraph 3 where you state you used to be bigoted but are no longer this way due to changes your thought on whether homosexuality is a sin or not)

    Would love to hear your thoughts, just to frame where you’re coming from better 🙂

    peace and love

    Kyle

    • Dave June 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm #

      Hi Kyle, thanks for your response.
      To answer your questions:
      1. Keeping in the mind that The Bible was written by subjective people like you and me and keeping in mind that homosexuality wasn’t fully understood in the period that it was written, I believe homosexuality isn’t necessarily a sin. Lustful homosexuality, yes. True love homosexuality, no.
      2. In this case I’m talking of God in a broad sense. If an atheist says something that is true, I believe it is still from God because truth is from God and transcends religion and / or where the source of truth is coming from.
      3. I believe it is narrow minded. I think it’s fine to disagree on things but as long as you’re open to trying to understand & consider that it might not be a sin just because a few dudes in the Bible says it’s wrong, I believe that’s a good start.

      • Kyle June 29, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

        Cool bro, thanks for your response. That’s helpful.

        Have a good day 🙂

  4. Craig June 29, 2015 at 6:59 pm #

    You have no cooking clue what you talking about in a Godly christian faith. Get your facts first before writing an article about what you talking about.
    You are more than welcome to accept this sort of behavior, that is your right to do so but lowering Gods standard to your low levels is irresponsible.

  5. Jonathan Just June 29, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

    Hey Dave,

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You’ve raised a good question here.

    I love your music and actually have your Live Summer Set on the home page of Scope Magazine (scopemagazine.co.za). Go and have a look-see. I have no doubt that if you’re using your jams to bring through the Gospel in the fun that a Christian can have, God loves that. I pray you’ll make the most of the opportunity God has granted you.

    Your answer to the question is very interesting and true in some respects. I agree that being able to love a human being who happens to also be homosexual is pleasing to God and I would argue that only He is able to give us the grace to love instead of judge. God loves homosexual people as much as He loves heterosexual people, but it doesn’t mean that He condones homosexuality.

    It’s pretty clear in the Bible that His purpose in creating humans male and female to be made “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24) in the covenant of marriage is a beautiful reflection of Christ and the Church (those He calls His Bride). This is God’s design. Humans have deviated from it because we are sinful.

    But unfortunately calling homosexuality a sin (because that’s what the Bible calls it) is not considered to be very loving nowadays. Why is this? Maybe because the way Christians have dealt with it has been the opposite of loving – with damaging consequences. Everyone has a framework from which they live, certain standards of truth that will determine what their lifestyle is. For it to be based on our feelings or inclinations would be too subjective. No, in the Bible we can know objective Truth. It clearly states that God is the Creator of everything good and is the author of love. The framework He gives us there is so that we can experience the freedom of worshipping Him as He rightly deserves.

    There is nothing wrong with a friend confessing that they are gay – being honest and open about one’s sin is more important to God than trying to pretend that it’s not an issue. The important thing is seeing it for what it is. And the most loving thing a friend can do is point that person to the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross for this sin as much as any other. Christians do this because a holy God has welcomed them into friendship with Him so that they can live to be holy just as He is. They can be compassionate and understanding of others’ brokenness while also sensitively point them in the direction of what is right and true – like Jesus did.

  6. Helen June 30, 2015 at 4:59 am #

    Thank you, I enjoyed reading that.

  7. Jaclyn June 30, 2015 at 6:25 am #

    Very well written, thanks for sharing.

  8. Steyn June 30, 2015 at 7:21 pm #

    Lets start with the basics. People say that they are Christians, but do not believe in the bible or do not believe that the bible is from God (2 Tim 3:16), I say you are not a Christian. How can you know on how to be a Christian, if you do not know your bible. (2 Pet 2:21) When you say you are a Christian, then it means that you are a follower of Christ. Now when the bible says that a marriage relationship between people of the same sex is wrong, then it is wrong. (Lev 20:13, Rom 1:27, Lev 18:22 …..I can go on and on) Ok, maybe I am just dumb: Maybe what you are actually saying is the that homosexuality does not actually mean sex with the same gender. Dictionary: Homosexual: sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one’s own sex.

    The bible is really straight forward. Its plain black and white and not grey as some people come to believe. Just read it

    • Steyn June 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm #

      One more thing: Some people are going to say: “but who am I to judge other people?” I do not judge people, the Bible all ready did that.

      • Gaz May 12, 2016 at 12:32 pm #

        you must be fun at parties

  9. Marc July 2, 2015 at 6:00 am #

    My understanding of it is simple – I’m gonna use another sin to help explain what I’m trying to say.
    If my friend is dying and in pain is it my right to murder him even if he consents it? Even if my love for him is so great that I would take his place? Does love give us the right to Murder and have guy sex, steal from wicked men, lie, commit adultery etc. .

    We are more spiritual than we are flesh – our flesh cannot please God our faith in him and his word pleases him. No sin is condoned in the bible and God is the same today now and forever. We how ever choose to defy and twist his plan and purpose to follow our own selfish desires and bring upon his judgement on our lives.

    That been said I want to follow God’s word and serve all man kind, gay, Muslim or jew, sinner or Saint, man or women – he has called us all to this, just because my brother is gay I will still love him and treat him as a equal because we all are defiled and wrong but our faith in God puts us right with him.

    Hope that helps someone like it helped me get over myself 🙂

    • Steyn July 2, 2015 at 1:29 pm #

      Sorry but I am going to butt in again. If any of you wants me to shut up please say so.

      People keep saying that faith in God is enough. Well, it is not. “Faith Without Works Is Dead”. (please read James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)

      People also say that this life is sinful and when you die you will move on to the next life and then you lead a better life. (I can write a book on this subject but I will try to keep it short). We need to have a look at what was God purpose with man. (Gen 1:28 – 30) Did that purpose changed? Well the bible say it did not. I know, I searched for it in the bible. So to be blunt, when you die, your soul will not live on. (please read acclesiastes 9:5 and 9) Where were you before you were born? That will be your same state when you die. When Jesus’s friend Lazarus died, Jesus describe his condition as like he was sleeping. Do you know whats happening around you when you sleep. Also when you die, people say that you will go to heaven if you where good in this life. Well thats also not thru when you look to the bible(John 3:13). The bible talks about a Resurrection ( John 5:28,29) In other words: people will keep on living on earth. (please read Psalms 37:29 and Matt 5:5.) What will those people do on earth? please read Isaiah 65:17-25)
      But what about the people going to heaven? (Revelation 14:1-3) The bible say that they will rules as Kings and Priests with Jesus. (Rev 20:6) Therefor consider this point: when a baby dies, will he be able. without life experience, be able to rule as a King?

      So to come to my point. You must live your life NOW in accordance to Gods laws. Not later in another life. But what does God really whats from us NOW? He wants us to study his Word the Bible. Important the read this scripture: 1Tim 2:3,4 and John 17:3.

      Why am I such a pain and telling you all this? This is why: Matt 24:14

  10. andrew July 3, 2015 at 6:53 am #

    Mate, it is a sin and states in His word that it’s detestable in His eyes. I think it’s pretty clear.
    However we must love everyone, but hate the sin.

    • Daniel October 8, 2015 at 12:35 pm #

      – Thanks, but I do not need your half-assed love. This ‘just the tip’ business simply won’t do.
      – At least you are aware of your religion’s teachings, not just contributing to the noise made by the religious moderates who try to weasel their way around the inconvenient bits that have since been rendered superfluous in an increasingly secular world.
      – And thumbs up for your judgement, I enjoy knowing that your god cringes every time I commit sodomy. I bet he likes watching too.

  11. Joan July 31, 2015 at 8:14 pm #

    Sin is sin. We are not to judge homosexuality negatively, so I doubt its right to judge it positively either. God loves sinners but hates sin. We should do the same. We shouldnt condone our brother’s sin or condemn him, but instead pray for him and support him. We should also pray for those who think themselves righteous enough to cast the first stone, and forget their own sin. However, know where you stand. No use being lukewarm about it.

  12. Dan September 5, 2015 at 10:40 am #

    Hi Dave, A big topic and it’s so wonderful/miraculous that God loves us all regardless of our sins, loves, dislikes…. I agree with much that you said and I too have some beautiful friends who have come out in the passed decade who I love dearly and support as much as possible. The problem with it all is that with marriage (a biblical notion) comes children. And the ultimate right of every human being no matter what colour, race, religion… is to have a mother and a father. That is not something we should EVER have the option to take way from any child. I could go on, but will leave it at that. Blessings and thanks for the wonderful music. I am from Australia and after falling in love with thekiffness, and having my family (with three young kids) dancing to it all week since purchasing the miff album, I have sent links of thekiffness to many of my Aussie and NZ friends. Blessings!! May you / we Glorify God in all that you / we do!!

    • Dave September 8, 2015 at 8:55 am #

      Thanks Dan. Agreed, it seems unfair that some kids get to live with their families and others don’t, and in an ideal world this wouldn’t be a problem. But you have to ask yourself, surely if you were a foster child having two dads / moms is better than having no parents at all? Some may say something like “gay parents adopting foster children is treating the symptom of the problem without finding out what the cause is, like taking a pain killer for a headache without thinking that maybe the cause of the headache was a poor diet and that you need to change the diet – which I believe is true to an extent i.e. if their weren’t negligent parents there wouldn’t be a need for adoption. But a child that’s been taken in by two loving homosexual parents will tell you that their foster parents changed their lives for the better, and I’m pretty sure that this cannot be a bad thing.

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